Careers in Law: Q&A with Judith Browne Dianis, Executive Director of Advancement Project | Practical Law

Careers in Law: Q&A with Judith Browne Dianis, Executive Director of Advancement Project | Practical Law

Q&A with Judith Browne Dianis, Executive Director of Advancement Project, a next-generation, multi-racial civil rights organization that uses law, communications, policy, and technology to support grassroots movements for racial justice. Practical Law Senior Specialist Legal Editor Jessica Cherry asked Judith to describe her role and address the factors that led her to pursue a career as a civil rights attorney, the skills that are necessary to be a successful civil rights advocate in the movement for racial justice, the biggest challenges she has faced in her career, and steps that attorneys, law firms, and the organizations that hire law firms can take to eradicate racism in the legal system and the legal industry. This Q&A is part of Practical Law's Professional Development Series: Careers in Law.

Careers in Law: Q&A with Judith Browne Dianis, Executive Director of Advancement Project

by Practical Law
Published on 10 Aug 2023USA (National/Federal)
Q&A with Judith Browne Dianis, Executive Director of Advancement Project, a next-generation, multi-racial civil rights organization that uses law, communications, policy, and technology to support grassroots movements for racial justice. Practical Law Senior Specialist Legal Editor Jessica Cherry asked Judith to describe her role and address the factors that led her to pursue a career as a civil rights attorney, the skills that are necessary to be a successful civil rights advocate in the movement for racial justice, the biggest challenges she has faced in her career, and steps that attorneys, law firms, and the organizations that hire law firms can take to eradicate racism in the legal system and the legal industry. This Q&A is part of Practical Law's Professional Development Series: Careers in Law.
Education: 1992: J.D., Columbia Law School; 1987: B.S., The Wharton School, The University of Pennsylvania.
Career in Brief: Judith has served as a lawyer, professor, and a civil rights advocate in the movement for racial justice. Judith currently leads the work of Advancement Project to combat structural racism in education, voting, policing, criminal justice, and immigration. Since launching Advancement Project in 1999, Judith has worked with grassroots organizations to wage successful campaigns using litigation, advocacy, and communications. She has authored groundbreaking education reports including Opportunities Suspended and Derailed: The Schoolhouse to Jailhouse Track, defining the school-to-prison pipeline and its causes. During the voting calamity in Florida in 2000, Judith helped start Advancement Project's Voter Protection Program, representing the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). In the ensuing two decades, Judith has led Advancement Project's partnership with grassroots and national organizations to thwart voter suppression efforts and has pioneered efforts to end the school-to-prison pipeline. For more on Advancement Project, including the range of issues that it addresses through its programs, see Box: About Advancement Project.
Prior to launching Advancement Project, Judith was the recipient of a Skadden Fellowship, thus beginning her legal career with the NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, where she ultimately became the Managing Attorney of the Washington, D.C. office and Director of the Fair Housing Program. Judith then spent just under two years at the law firm of Kaye Scholer (now Arnold & Porter) where she and a former colleague from the Legal Defense & Educational Fund started a plaintiffs' side civil rights practice.
Judith has been awarded the Prime Movers Fellowship for trailblazing social movement leaders and has been named one of the "Thirty Women to Watch" by Essence magazine. She serves on the Board of Directors for Friends of the Earth, the Skadden Fellowship Foundation, and Hill Snowdon Foundation. Judith grew up in Hollis, Queens, in a family that was always engaged in thoughtful conversations about race and racism. She was a student activist for racial justice during college and, while in law school, she was both the head of Columbia's Black Law Student Association (BLSA), and the National Chair of the National BLSA.

Can you provide a brief description of your current role and the work you do?

As Executive Director of Advancement Project, I am responsible for:
  • Providing direction to the organization regarding:
    • fundraising;
    • high-level strategy;
    • overall day-to-day responsibilities; and
    • the scope of the work we will take on.
  • Collaborating with program staff to:
    • contemplate our collective vision; and
    • assess the racial justice movement and the role we need to play.
  • Serving as spokesperson for the organization, which includes:
    • appearing on television and other media outlets to address issues related to racial justice;
    • representing the organization at meetings with our partner allies; and
    • testifying on Capitol Hill. For example, in September 2011, I testified at a hearing on "New State Voting Laws: Barriers to the Ballot?" before the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Human Rights, Senate Committee on the Judiciary.
  • Participating in external meetings with:
    • executive directors of other organizations we work with, such as the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the NAACP, and Color of Change;
    • local organizations we work with, such as the network of organizations across the country that make up The Movement for Black Lives; and
    • funding partners. For example, we previously partnered with Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, which brought back its limited time flavor Justice ReMix'dTM a portion of the proceeds of which went to our National Office.

What are the factors that led you to pursue a career as a civil rights attorney? Did you know when you went to law school that this was the kind of work you wanted to do?

I grew up in an all-Black community in Hollis, Queens. My mother was an educator and a community activist focused on trying to improve conditions for Black people. My father served in the segregated Army. Race and racism were always discussed at our house, so that laid the foundation.
I became a student activist in college, combatting racism on campus. After graduating, I joined a training program at a major lending institution and experienced race discrimination first-hand on the job. I knew that I was smart, and that my mother had cultivated an academic achiever. Also, unlike my white colleagues, I had an Ivy League education. But despite clear evidence to the contrary, I was told that I was not a good writer and that my accounting skills were sub-par. As being a smart overachiever was a core part of my identity, this was a terrible blow to my self-esteem.
At one point I was malevolently singled out. The only Black person in the training program, I alone was required to do a client presentation, including a financial analysis and oral presentation, as part of my annual review. The experience was infuriating, and at the time I had no idea that I could address the issue with the bank's Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) office.
I decided that no one else should be treated this way and that I was going to spend the rest of my life combatting racism. This experience was the catalyst for me stepping into my purpose, which is a beautiful thing to find, and I am very thankful for it.

Are there particular skills or personality characteristics that are essential to be a successful civil rights advocate in the movement for racial justice?

It is very important to acknowledge privilege and be ready to be uncomfortable. Uncomfortable, honest conversations are an integral part of the path forward.
Unlike certain other careers, you should not embark on a civil rights career or become a movement lawyer just because you think it is interesting. To be successful, you must:
  • Be deeply committed to the idea that America is not what it could be.
  • Be willing to radically re-imagine what America could be, which means striking down existing structures and systems that are not working for all people.
  • Be aggressive and think outside the box.
Finally, to do this work well, you must be humble, recognizing that you do not know everything, that you are not a savior, and that the work is not about you. You must put those who are impacted at the center of your efforts by listening to them and being responsive to their needs. You must recognize that your mission is to support and strengthen movements, and to support the transference and building of power by providing the tools that impacted people need. It is not about changing the world in some feel-good sense. It is about changing the power dynamics.

What have been the biggest challenges you have encountered in your legal career?

I am a thespian at heart so I have enjoyed going to court, especially jury trials (which I do not get to do anymore). But losing is hard. I vividly remember my first loss and how hard I cried. That was the first of many difficult losses. I felt like I was doing God's work, and yet I lost anyway. What I have come to realize is that "winning" can mean different things. You may lose a case but change the narrative.
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, we "won" by slowing down the process when the rights of Black Americans were being trampled. By slowing things down, we ensured that the voices of Black people could come into the process and be heard.
The composition of the courts is also a challenge. The conservative leaning of our federal courts has made them less receptive to claims around racial discrimination and structural racism than they used to be. This was a significant catalyst for Advancement Project's development of a different model of movement lawyering that focuses on bringing innovative tools to the table to build people power.
Finally, I went from being a new lawyer, to a managing attorney, to helping to form a new organization. You do not learn how to run a business in law school, so that was challenging for me. I had to manage people for the first time and I was not always good at it. It took some time for me to figure it out. It was tempting for me to focus solely on all of the good that I felt I could do for society, but I learned that I also needed to prioritize running the business and making sound business decisions.

How did your prior work experiences prepare you for your current role?

While at the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, I learned to be an aggressive litigator. We did bold litigation there and asked for bold remedies. That experience prepared me to push my team at Advancement Project to be aggressive. We think of ourselves as rebels leaning into what the law should be instead of settling for the status quo.

If you were not a civil rights attorney or the Executive Director of Advancement Project, what job do you think you would have?

It is possible that I would follow in my mother's footsteps and do something in education. My mother was an educator who worked her way up to Superintendent. She was also an educator at home. Growing up, my mother would tape index cards to the kitchen wall with words and definitions on them so that I could learn as I ate my meals. She set me up for success in school, and she was the one who pushed me to go to Wharton. I was raised to value the importance of education. Too many children today attend schools that lack the resources needed to support them. I yearn to fix our public schools so that every child has access to a first class education that promotes greatness.
I could also see myself managing my daughter's singing career (like Beyonce's mother).

What advice can you give to an attorney considering a career in legal advocacy or movement lawyering?

The most important thing to do is get involved in movement work and start organizing around whatever issue you are interested in. My experiences as a student organizer in college and in law school were invaluable. I learned how groups are organized, how to set appropriate demands and goals, and I started to understand the power equation, that is, the role that power plays in sustaining racism and the critical task of changing that equation.

What advice can you give to practicing attorneys who want to either become more involved in, or transition their career towards, legal advocacy or movement lawyering?

There are many ways to become more involved in social justice movements. A first step is to gain an understanding of the connection between the law and these movements. If you work at a law firm, do pro bono work. Even at small law firms you can generally find a case here and there. These experiences allow you to learn and give at the same time.
If you are interested in transitioning your career, get involved first. There are multiple ways that you can get involved as a volunteer before making an extreme change. I regularly receive resumes from lawyers who express interest in a career with Advancement Project and yet they have done nothing to demonstrate their commitment to racial justice. No matter how smart you are, you cannot just show up. You must get involved and solidify your commitment first.

What steps can attorneys, law firms, and organizations that hire law firms take to eradicate racism in the legal system and the legal industry?

We must address this issue on multiple levels. First, we need to overhaul legal education by:
  • Talking about race and how racism has tainted legal opinions throughout history. We tend to shy away from the topic of how severely racism has infected the law.
  • Ensure a more diverse set of viewpoints in our law schools by increasing the number of students who are racially diverse.
Law firms and the organizations that hire them also have a role to play. Currently approximately 6% of lawyers in the US are Black, and that percentage is probably lower at large firms. Law firms should strive to create a more inclusive environment by hiring more people of color throughout the ranks of their firms.
In addition, organizations that hire law firms should ensure that they do not feed a racist system by hiring firms that do not promote people of color. At Advancement Project, when we hire outside contractors or accept corporate money, we ensure that the individuals and organizations we work with hold our values. Organizations hiring law firms can combat systemic racism by hiring firms that not only hire people of color, but promote them. Organizations should ask specific questions about diversity when selecting a law firm. Maybe they have Black employees in the copy room. That is good but that is not enough. To combat systemic racism we must change the power structure. That means that firms must have Black partners.
We must also change the law itself, by opposing precedent that maintains the status quo and supports the vast racial disparities that currently exist in our country. We must think boldly, by changing both the law and the power dynamics.

Is there any general advice that you wish someone had given to you when you started out that you can share?

It is important to keep learning and expanding what you know. Do not be myopic. Issues like the environment, public health, and education are not only incredibly important in their own right, but they also intersect with race in significant ways.
Also, no matter how committed you are to the causes you believe in, you must take time for yourself. I am used to being on airplanes regularly and always running to the next thing. The silver lining of the pandemic for me was realizing the benefits of slowing down. One night when I could not sleep due to worry about the impact of the pandemic, I signed up for TikTok, and I have been amazed and delighted by the creativity of so many young people. This app has brought me hours of joy. I also walk as much as I can and plan to start experimenting in the kitchen. Do not forget to take time out to do the things that fuel you and bring you joy.

About Advancement Project

Advancement Project's mission is to fulfill America's promise of a caring, inclusive, and just democracy. The organization concentrates on the following issues:
  • Voting rights (for example, restoring voting rights to people who have been criminalized, and removing barriers to the ballot).
  • The school-to-prison pipeline, which pushes young people of color disproportionately out of school and into the criminal and juvenile systems due to subjective and discriminatory harsh school discipline.
  • Immigrant justice (for example, working toward ending the excessive criminalization of immigrants).
  • Policing and criminalization (for example, challenging racialized criminalization, and calling for genuine police accountability and transformation of public safety).
  • Education justice (for example, opposing corporate takeover of public education, and securing equitable, high-quality public schools for all children).
The organization operates on both the national level and the local level. At the national level, its responsibilities include:
  • Helping to create movement and context for breakthroughs on race.
  • Bringing people and organizations together to build momentum across geographic boundaries, creating a space to learn from one another and work together.
  • Connecting partners doing similar work across the country and providing legal, policy, strategic campaign, and communications support, to:
    • shape the narrative;
    • expose the problem; and
    • highlight solutions.
  • Actively broadening and extending the practice of community-centered racial justice lawyering through:
    • training;
    • networking; and
    • creating tools and resources.
  • Using strategic communications to influence public opinion on issues of race, democracy, and justice, stimulating local change.
Locally, Advancement Project provides direct, hands-on support for organized communities in their struggles for racial and social justice, by:
  • Providing legal, communications, and campaign organizing resources for on-the-ground efforts.
  • Assisting communities in building their own capacity and power.